Post by Dave Dangerously on May 21, 2008 21:40:02 GMT -6
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Dave Dudley
The Hardcore Icon
Posts: 43
(4/21/01 4:29:36 pm)
Angry.
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Temper Temper David...now now now.
Edited by: Hoosier BigDaddy at: 4/24/01 12:59:39 am
HCKMIke
EWA Superstar
Posts: 6
(4/21/01 4:40:18 pm)
Re: Angry.
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Dave really, really scares me when he's angry.
I'm sorry Dave, even tho I'm not in ICW, I'm sorry. I'm afrai you'll beat me up or something.
Myst scares me too. I'm his bitch or something.
Flatester
EWA Superstar
Posts: 7
(4/21/01 5:32:44 pm)
Re: Angry.
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Dave,
If I was in ICW, I would have rped...
Flatester
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Andrew Leigh
Future ICW World Champion
Posts: 119
(4/21/01 5:33:43 pm)
Eh
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Dave, your anger comes from the same thing that influenced me to quit booking in EWA. I mean, I wrote Onslaught for 4 weeks, and no one seemed to care.
The thing that's entirely different about my situation with EWA and you in ICW is that for you, it is after every single show, even the PPV.
To be honest, it's mostly my fault. I mean, I was posting pretty regularly up to RPM, but right after the PPV in which I won the damn World Title, I decided to hit a period where I was lazy and disinterested in posting another RP. I tried a few times, and got the ball rolling, but never finished.
Also, maybe if I had chipped in more in the writing match process, you could have gotten shows up on time, and people would have maybe decided to post more regularly.
But that is all speculation. The fact is, the whole place is going through a down time, and it's been a looming down time since the day you re-opened.
But one thing that is most definitely not helping things is people quitting. You figure, if it is someone that you aren't pushing who is a low-card type wrestler, and then it is okay if they quit, they can be replaced.
But it's not okay when guys that are being pushed around the main event quit. People who are right in the middle of angles, and right in the middle of the World Title situation just decide to quit.
I usually don't drop names, but Vassago AKA Jeff Watson was the guy that was active a whole lot before the PPV. I mean, every time I posted an RP, it seemed like he had one just waiting to be posted. And I mean it was pretty clear that even when he and I were posting, we were mostly alone in consistency and quality. But why the hell do you quit? I�m not quitting ICW. In fact, I was going to come online and post an RP today, but that will have to wait now since this happened.
You posted on the ICW Board that you don�t care if people call you a hypocrite, traitor, etc. Well, I�m not going to do that, your actions pretty much said that for me. Your quitting is the last thing ICW needed, but you probably don�t care, you probably just want to be in a place where you can be surrounded by �the best posters in the e-fed world�, and people who actually post.
But don�t you remember before you left for the Air Force? When everyone was in LWN, and ICW was struggling to get people. Reno AKA Archangel was posting as like 50 different people, and L-Mo was around. ICW was like the renegade place, the place that was different then LWN with its serious approach and big-time angles. You wouldn�t even consider posting at LWN when ICW started. Hell, you got yourself banned on a few different names in just the goofing off process.
And back then, ICW wasn�t always the best place going. It wasn�t always full of people who posted every day, and people who were seriously interested in the place. There were down times. There are down times in every fed, you even said that in your post at ICW.
But dude, what the fuck is quitting going to do? This is just me reliving old experiences, in an attempt to make you think about what exactly you are doing. You are running away from a place that still can succeed, it wouldn�t take that much to get the place back on track. But, it won�t if everyone starts quitting.
And then there�s Amalek. Well, Amalek was put into the ICW main event pretty much before you could determine who was posting and who wasn�t. And, he posted a few times for the match, sure. But overall, he didn�t give a shit. And doesn�t give a shit still to this day, he hasn�t RP-ed in a whole long time. I mean, call me crazy, but when you read the shows and see you�re being pushed around the main event, which means the booker has confidence in your ability, don�t you think you could at least post once in a while? Show just a LITTLE interest?
I guess that is too much to ask. And, sure, decide to quit NOT before the PPV when things can still be shook around, but AFTER everything has happened, when you are supposed to be involved, but clearly are not.
And I mean, you bring a great RP-er like Myst to ICW, using an angle that, if given the proper attention and effort, could work and become a classic and intricate idea. But, in the long run, you just decide that it would be easier to have Myst come back to EWA, as an OutKast, thus destroying that whole ICW thing. Yeah, you don�t post, and you don�t help ICW out at all, but you sure are able to hurt it by packing up and leaving. You were getting just as big of a push as you are now in EWA. You were in the Main Event at the PPV, for Christ�s sake. But, that isn�t enough, eh?
I admitted my fault in not posting lately, but at least I didn�t quit. And I will post, and it will probably be today, and I will do whatever it takes to not have ICW brought down by the sheer disinterest of others. EWA was just as bad as ICW not too long ago, with people not posting. But actually, now that I think of it, once I quit, people like Kayfabe really got motivated to post again.
Maybe I�m just eFed poison. But one thing is for sure, I don�t think ICW is getting much help from people that should at least try to keep it going. I mean, Healius was the last ICW World Champ before the PPV, and he was IN THE MAIN EVENT, but still posted like 3 or 4 times from back in February or whenever ICW re-opened.
That�s bullshit. Dave has every right to be pissed. I don�t really care what people have to say about my comments.
People quitting isn't helping anything. Dave writes shows, he tries to get some interest going. Personally, I thought things would get more active after RPM was posted.
But they didn't. And everyone decided to run away, instead of posting RPs. You know, that's fine. If that is how it is, then that's how it is. I don't think ICW is going away, though.
Vassago Arcturus
EWA Superstar
Posts: 5
(4/21/01 5:36:36 pm)
Re: Angry.
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Dave has every right to be angry.
Shit, I'd be a liar if I said it wasn't my fault, too. But hell, why don't we all shake hands and play nice? Who cares what the venue is, let's all rp together. ICW, EWA, who cares. Let's just have fun, damnit. Let's not worry about "Well, my board is better" or "I book better than he does" or whathaveyou. Let's just have some fucking fun. Whaddya say?
And to you, Andrew. No, my quitting is not helping ICW. But how can you say that EWA and ICW are not virtually identical already? So what's the difference? I see none. So why bother with trying to struggle between two feds when I can just pour my full potential into one of them? And of course, the one that I choose to put all my effort into is the one where I can be sure to get the best results. I don't mean that I think I can get more titles here at EWA, but I mean that I think I can have better feuds here, better posts, and just more friggin fun.
As to the past, before I enlisted, yeah, I was hardcore ICW. But it wasn't because it was ICW. It was because it was the Anti-LWN. I would have given the world to keep posting in LWN, but I couldn't stand the looming eyes of a couple people. Ah, fuck it. It was Derrick and ITR. I would have loved to stay in LWN if not for them. But because I hated them (and therefore, LWN) so much, I needed an alternative. Lo and behold, ICW. And over time, I gained friends in Lmo and Scottie, and also in Dave. But now, Lmo's gone, Scottie is going through god knows what and can't rp anymore, so now basically my only tie to those golden days is Dave. And shit, Dave is already here in EWA, too. So fuck it. Why stay in ICW? The only people I really wanted to feud with are already here in EWA, with the exception of you, Andrew. And EWA has some other's I'd like to tangle with that aren't in ICW. So there's my long winded excuse.
Edited by: Vassago Arcturus at: 4/21/01 5:46:12 pm
El Bastarde
Look at me, I'm Mexican
Posts: 56
(4/21/01 7:19:26 pm)
Re: Angry.
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Dudley,
Just so you know, since ICW's opening I've been looking in to read (or at least skim if low on time) the shows as well as to read some of the top RPs there.
I like the fed and I think, even despite these setbacks, ICW will be fine. I know what you folks think of Dan Downtown's YAWF fed but it's still going. When he started, he got a lot of folks to join (myself included) and then after a while, a LOT of those folks (myself included) didn't RP (my excuse was that I was too busy with EFWO and EWA, which I was also in at the time). Heck...Bastarde was even put into the Main Event of the PPV in a World Title 4-way match and I maybe RP'd once for it, much like Amalek I'd say. And while all of this happened and RPs when down, Dan kept at it and worked with the folks he could (maybe not as enthousiastically as if people HAD Rpd but he still did it) and YAWF is doing pretty well.
Basically, I'm saying is ICW will be fine, Dudley, just stick with it for now. Feds often go through slumps and eventually people start RPing again, they gain more people and they start goin again. And I can list at least ONE person interested in joining ICW, even after seeing what's been going on with it, so that can be considered as well.
Stevo
SHEEET! SHEEET! SHEEET! -- El Bastarde
DarkMachineMyst
Co-ruler of Mystleigharia
Posts: 324
(4/21/01 11:51:44 pm)
I'm fucking pissed
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I'm fucking pissed too.
I'm fucking pissed that I'm not having as much fun as I used to.
I'm fucking pissed that I just did a Hoosier Daddy roleplay for the first time in months and because of the douchebag registration password shit, I lost it and it will never been seen again. And I was proud of it.
I'm fucking pissed that I haven't roleplayed in ICW and for that I apologize.
But Dave, I haven't really roleplayed in EWA, so I'm not using the excuse I can roleplay in EWA and not in ICW.
In fact, the roleplay that Ezboard decided to fucking not post today, the one I did as Hoosier Daddy, didn't even do with any angle I will be doing or anything...
I realize something....
I had fun as Hoosier Daddy.
I had fun as Myst feuding with Archangel.
I had fun having good feuds.
I had fun to a point feuding with Amalek, until my well ran dry.
I post when I'm having fun.
I don't post when I'm not.
Its not to say that when I stop posting its because I'm not having fun, but it usually means that I'm not having as much fun as I could. Back in LWN, when Archie and I fueded, we fed off each other. In early EWA, as Hoosier, I had so much fun being an ass, that no matter what people posted, I could come up with something gold.
Dave, you are a good booker. But it is hard for one man to run a fed by himself. Healius does a decent job, but he gets help all of the time with match writing and stuff...but he works hours on shows...I'm sure.
Dave, it is an equal partnership. If ICW fails, it won't be one person's fault. It will be everyone's fault. The bookers, the roleplayers, everything. When the idea of ICW re-emerging came about, you were excited, understandably so. But you didn't expect to do it all alone. Scottie's life unfortunately took a bad turn, and he had to bail. And its hart to run everything by yourself.
Leigh tells me I might as well, quit, its basically like I already have. Well, no offense to my co-ruler, but thats a fucking copist way of thinking. I want to be in ICW, because I don't do things I don't want to do. I've been stagnant lately, and I apologize. But my whole character has been...and I'm trying to become active again.
Which is why I tried to post as Hoosier, fucking Ezboard douche...but thats beside the point. I went back to a character that was fun for me, so maybe I could get inspired and realize how much fun efed is supposed to be.
Hell, I'll fucking job every night, open the cards ands hit...if I'm having fun...and fun, at least in efed, is a two way street. You can't have fun without someone else having fun. If you are in a great feud, like I was with Archangel, then your fun will spur fun on from your opponent, and its just a big ol fun cycle. Dave, you should have fun. If you aren't having fun booking...get out.
Because efed should be fun...
Anything less...well, it fucking pisses me off.
Da Archangel
I Know Stephon Marbury > Allen Iverson
Posts: 89
(4/22/01 12:15:58 am)
Re: Angry.
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Since my name was mentioned multiple times (mostly by Myst), I'll add a response to the growing numbers.
I'm not Angry or pissed, I'm a little down. the Sixers lost today, boo. Dallas lost also, boo. and the Spurs won, once again, boo.
Here's my retake on the "new" ICW, it's not an excuse or anything, just how I saw it.
It sounded fun. I could bring back Reno Starr, who I started using a lot in EWA. And when I did, I found other things to do with Archangel and got my creative juices flowing.
Then, me and Leigh started to feud for the final spot. That was great. Although I knew I would lose, it was still fun. But then, when I did lose, I really lost. I lost an angle and I lost ideas. Coincidentally, I also started wrestling school, so I lost time. I pretty much stopped posting in EFWO, posted once a week in ICW, and about twice a week in EWA.
Didn't think I'd win a title, because I knew I didn't deserve it.
I cared that Leigh started doing Onslaught. Because that meant that there actually WAS an Onslaught. But if it was recognition or thanks you were looking for, then you were barking up the wrong tree. How often were you thanked in LWN when you had to take over? Hell, I was writing three shows a week and I wasn't thanked.
You do it, like Myst said, for fun.
Don't book for anybody but yourself. Don't make allowences that will diminish your fun writing matches or creating storylines.
Also, these so-called money e-fed names are not what you need. You need the Omega's and the Jose's and the people who R/P three-4 times a day! Not the "Jaded eFed Icons" or people who are in every fed or people coming back from retirement. Those people are nice for name draw only, to get the other people and put them over when they don't RP.
It's funny, because the most fun I had has been feuding with Myst, feuding and teaming with PPV, and when I first brought out Reno Starr because then I had Reno, Archangel, Thanos, Maxim, and Platinum. Instead of R/ping one person 10 times a day and being an ass, I just made a new character if I had the time.
I'll just stop there, because I don't know where I started and I don't know where I'm going, and I really don't know what the point of this reply was.
Oh yeah, is ICW open or closed?
Amalek
Third and Final Beast
Posts: 100
(4/22/01 1:46:57 am)
Bah
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How funny my 100th post is a OOC one
First of all....I rejoined ICW because Scottie asked me and out of loyality to Him. thats it....I never asked to put in any angle.I never asked for ANYTHING...
Unlike others..I never expected anything...
and why should i ..
I do this for fun.
not glory...
I was in ICW during its "DRY" days....
when it seemed we wouldnt turn the corner...
but we remained a dedicated small crew of r/pers...
I see alot of Blame being pushed in my Way.....but waitaminute...to reply to something else
Second......I dont give a shit?
I r/ped my ass off before BOTH PPVs ...gave up my title willingly ..and Never bitched...
I am a Team Player trying to help angles go further and OTHER wrestlers get chances..title shots et al.
I have been pushing "behind" the scences for lots of New Blood to get pushed....
I never wanted Either Title because of bitching & whining is what i see....when you beat "someone" who thinks he should NEVER lose.
Leigh, I thought youd win...
Hell I even encouraged you to get "mean" to create a stir in ICW which it did.
but to say I didnt care....you are soo wrong....at the PPV 3 guys were buried for no reason....
I wasnt one of them...but I gave a shit...they arent "replaceable" as you stated.
Everyone should be given a chance in a Efed...not only the "stars"...
Screwit...We all started low on the food chain....
Hell..I LIKED your Carter Wilson character..because i thought "this new guy has awesome face potential"
according to what you stated you would have "replaced" yourself.
To be sucessful, you have you have EVERYONE on the team...not just the stars..
As for Dave,
You are a GREAT Booker...
But you have created a situation bound to Fail.
Burying guys to elevate the stars in a rebuilding efed was NOT a good idea.
Alienating other guys who would have helped you re-creating ICW also wasnt a brillant move.
You wanted the SOLE Power you got it....
You did it Your way and it has Failed...
You bitched about Scottie's "multiple booker" idea...because YOU didnt like it.
and vowed to fight it tooth & nail...
You wanted us ALL to r/p in ICW with no input...
You, If i remember my history correctly told me on IM that If I joined EWA "Id be BANNED from ICW" by you when you were the Head Booker last year.
Dave...
You Wanted the Power..
You Had it..
You Failed...
Deal with it...
Life is about struggling in general & mistakes....hopefully you learned from these...
as for now...I hearby do resign as a wrestler in ICW.
It was Fun last year....
not this year....
you cannot bring back something that was great....
so quickly...when you get older youll see...
Patience is a great indicator of sucess...
I do hope ICW comes back...it was a great place...and i think theres lots of potential there...
Myst is right....
Efed is for Fun not Bitching nor moaning...we all create characters to have fun.
To do sick shit we would never think of trying...
If you want..Blame me....I DIDNT run things though...
Unfortunately I do have a actual Job & life which limits my free time.
I posted in Both efeds ALOT that week.
But to Blame me for ICW failing is just so typical.
I just watched on the sidelines....
We are All to Blame....
and thats that..
Peace,
HG
F*CK You Very Much,Your FRANCHISE Has Spoken..
Edited by: Amalek at: 4/22/01 3:18:21 am
X dude
EWA's Cerebral Assassin
Posts: 40
(4/22/01 4:19:03 am)
Re: Angry.
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WHat I find sad in all this, is the fact that after reading this whole thread, I can not come up with one single solitary way to blame Flate for this...
Brian
QPublic
EWA Superstar
Posts: 64
(4/22/01 9:11:03 am)
ICW: thouughts
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Well seeing as how I was one of the originators at ICW after the titles got stripped and the first Insane Rumble, I need to post my thoughts.
Ya see it's like this, I was posting a lot as Phreak in LWN. When I gopt the urge to join ICW on a whim. *Note: I was in ICW previously, but I got saddled with a real lame ass match thanks to one idiotic boy named Lmo. Plus school was closing in so I bailed, on ICW. Anyways, I has a nice fued going with Hexane, over the DVD title, which was kick ass and mucho fun. The Alliance Games Phreak vs. Hexane match was way too much fun, and the match was extremelty well written props to whoever wrote that match. Anywho, in between this, I started watching ICW closely. It was interesting a new regime had taken over. Life looked good. I joined under the auspicious name of QPublic. I had a nice fued with Hacksaw Jim, and an even better fued with Thanos aka Reno aka Archie. It was fun, people appreciated my work. Anywho, it was about time that the proverbial shit hit the fan. Lmo bailed, Jeff joined the airforce, Mercury dropped off the face of the earth. I started doing some booking. It was meager and most of it sucked ass. Actualy a lot of it sucked ass. But I enjoyed it. Somehow in all this I got saddled with the head booker job at ICW. HJow I don't know. Anywho, me and one of the Dan's started booking shows, in fact thanks to Scottie and Amalek, I helped spark the ICW vs. EFWO fued when I turned the EFWO world title into a toiler yep kiddies that was me. Anywho, I was spending all my time on the net writing shows, and getting screamed at because I shows were late, and people weren't r/ping and I was jobbing them left and right. Anywho, I got burned out real fast. Then Dudley came along andstarted booking. We worked well, and put togthjer some great shows, in fact during We Ain't Dead Yet I booked what I consider one of the best matches I wrote namely the Amalek vs. Dudley match Inferno match. After that I took stock of my life, I had just proposed to my girlfriend, and work was keeping me real busy, so I stepped down as booker and kept right on r/ping then I joined EWA and started making a name for myself. Anywho, Dudley goty burned out and then Mr. Flate came on head booker and we brouight in JPac too. Well anywyas, too make a long story short, Flate put up one show, and then ICW closed it's door. One not to Mr. Flate:
YOU ARE NOT THE FUCKING SAVIOR OF ICW
Sorry Phil you are a great r/per but shortly after ICW's downfall you claimed that ICW would have shut it's doors down if not for you. Bullshit. ICW was a community of people not just one booker who put togther a show and spent half of the show advertising some cheesy EFED School.
Anywho, flash forward now ICW was dead and buried, I devoted all my time ot EWA. Anywo, Scottie started talking and we brought ICW back. we had no idea how, then well we did that faction idea, and the shit hit the fan again. It was all politics. Anywho, the idea was dropped and we went back to old school style booking, I helped booked but life was getting really crazy, 3 months till marriage, work problems etc. Anywho, me and Dudley booked and wrote I r/ped when I got the chance but I spent more time writing shows.
To Mr. Dudley, Dave I woulda helped in any way possible but you were so tight lipped about the Angles that yiou wanted to run you never told me shit till you assigned me matches. Dammit. I was frustated because I wanted to help but I couldn't.
Now the question remains:
Where does ICW go from here.
Well I'm interested in helping keep ICW going. But you know something, it won't work, no one cares anymore.
Dudley say your angry all you want but even you have the same attitude. Get of your self-righteous kick. Face it you have been gulity of the same thing. You retired, from ICW remeber. Then an Angle for the Heaveyweight tournament was introduced then, low and behold Dudley r/p's his ass off.
Anyway it's kinda sad really, ICW was a fun place to be and we had some angles, the ICW audio show where Jeff insulted Lmo. It was great. But alas, no one cares. I agree with Archie the fed needs the Omega's and Jose's as well as others. It's just sad that nothing worked like it was supposed to.
If anyone really cares and doesn't want to see ICW contact me AIM maybe we can get the ball rolling again. Who knows I'm not ready to give up yet. I got two more months solid EFEDing before I get married, and during that time I would love to see ICW get built up again...ahh well enough of my rambling...
--QPublic
AIM=QPublic24
Edited by: QPublic at: 4/22/01 11:17:41 am
TommyJacobs
The Old School Icon
Posts: 31
(4/22/01 1:44:29 pm)
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I want to give an outsider perspective on this if I may. I wasn't going to say anything, because quite frankly, it really doesn't involve me, but I have a few observations I would like to make.
First off, I completely understand where Dave is coming from. Most of you should know that booking is by no means an easy job. It takes time and a lot of thought. Speaking for myself, all I look for in return when I book is people rping creatively for their matches and rping off of the angles that happen in shows. If people do that, you know what you are doing is worth the time you are putting in. As Dave said, it's a two way deal. The bookers book a good show, so the wrestlers rp off of the show (thus showing their appreciation). The booker sees the good rping and is motivated to write a good show. And so on and so on. Each one feeds off the other. Not to point fingers at anyone (because I really have no right to), but both ends seemed lacking from the get go. It's not anybody's fault.
What I noticed is that the ICW seemed to re-open just because it could. There was certainly no need with both the EWA and EFWO providing opportunities for the wrestlers. It didn't re-open because one person really wanted to run a fed again as evident by all the changes in the staff. It was there, so everyone said: "Why Not." Then after the nostalgia wore off, people didn't really have the want to rp there. In that sense, you really can't blame the roleplayers because you shouldn't be in a fed that you don't feel like you want to rp in. Then it becomes a job and that's not the purpose of efeds. The ICW didn't have a real driving point to re-open, and in this efeder's opinion, it was doomed to being with.
So what am I saying? A few things actually. One, a lot of you keep saying that it's not the roleplayers' fault, yet you are content with getting on Dave Dudley for being angry. Doesn't he have a right to be upset when he books and then the fed fails? I mean, everyone agrees that the ICW isn't doing that great, right? So, doesn't Dave have the right to say: "Hey, I put a lot of work into this and I am angry and frustrated that it is failing."? Dave is getting a lot of unfair criticism here.
Two, it's not fair to blame anyone person (or people), for not rping in ICW and wanting to go to another fed. If you are not having fun in one fed, what's the purpose of staying?
It's a sucky situation because ICW is failing. You shouldn't get mad at the wrestlers for not wanting to be a fed they are not havng fun in, but it also sucks that Dave put a lot of work into it only to get nothing in return. There's no reason to keep ICW open, just to keep it open. No one really wins, but all well, that's life. I just think that getting on Dave is not helping.
Oh yea, once last comment to QPublic. Ya know, getting on Flate out of no where and insulting Dudley doesn't help ICW get any better. Lord only knows why you brought the Flate stuff up, since in addition to a good deal of it being inaccurate, it is also OLD news....get over it...move on. Flate tried to help, it failed...the world moves on. Things didn't work out for Dave and the other guys who wanted to see ICW suceed and tried to help it....move on. I do have a question for you, why do you want to keep ICW going? I think you have to ask yourself that before you decide to keep it going because as I said earlier, that's one of the reasons I feel it didn't work out this time.
I'm done. I hope some of this makes sense because I just sat down and starting typing. If I got any info. wrong, I apologize. I can only comment on what I see.
Later.
X dude
EWA's Cerebral Assassin
Posts: 41
(4/22/01 2:18:31 pm)
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ANother outsiders perspective...
Number one... I have to agree with everything Jacobs said (Did the world just stop??). ICW seemed to be started up again not becuase there was a need for another fed, but because no one liked the way it closed down originally and people wanted to bring it back. ANd thats a bad reason to start a fed.
A few weeks back, SCottie contacted me and asked if I could give some advice on to how to better sell ICW since people seem to think Im the king of marketing an efed to potential people. I dont think Im anything special, but anywho... I told him what I did and such. Then about a week later I had an idea. WIth EFWO getting 50 applications a week, our minor league fed was filling up quick. So i contacted Scottie and asked if he wanted some of our apps. Scottie told me he had left and to ask Dudley. When I asked Dudley he told me he would get back to me. Please understand...I told Dudley that the apps would be his to do what he wanted with. I was NOT asking ICW to be a minor league. The apps would have been his with no strings attached. Anyway...Dudley decided never to get back to me. I got the impression that ICW only wanted people from EWA and/or EFWO and no outsiders... just people from that supposed little clique. But I challenge you to look at BCW! right up before their PPV which was at the same time as ICWs. BCW! is EFWOs minor league and some of these people may not have the same talent as what ICW has, but there was genuine excitement in that fed, whereas I checked ICW and saw 2 RPs a day..I was seeing 10-15 there. BCW! has lost a little momentum now with the management change... but it still has more RPs a day then ICW does. SO I think part of the prob with ICW is it was afraid to try and find some new people from outside the clique. Remember...talent is great but without some new blood things get stale.
ANyway...thats my thoughts as I try to still find a way to blame Flate
Brian
Flatester
EWA Superstar
Posts: 8
(4/22/01 4:51:29 pm)
Re: Argh..
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Now why is everyone trying to blame the Flatester? I am a loveable guy. I mean, come on!
QPublic: Did I ever say I was the savior of ICW? No. Infact, I was reviewing my old Flate Update's�, and I saw that I apologized several times saying that I was sorry if I was part of the reason that ICW closed down.
Yes, I did say that ICW would have shut down earlier if it weren't for me. And I do believe that it has truth to it. There was no one else offering or wanting to be the Head Booker of ICW.
I also did not have another writer for my second show. He bailed on me. So I was told I would have other writer(s) to help me, and it turned out I didn't. If I would have had the other writer, I would have had the show up on time. However, I had a busy week/weekend, and had no spare time to do the 2-3 matches I had previously assigned to the other booker.
Sure, I did do a FU�, but that took all of ten minutes, which was the only time I had free. When I write a match, it takes me around 20-25 minutes if I am going quick to write one short match. Therefore, I believe I made good use of my time by doing what I like.
If you didn't realize, Q, that I was doing an on going bit throughout the show by advertising the FAEW. Most people reading the show knew about the FAEW anyway, so it would have been no use hyping it like that if I wasn't making a joke.
Sorry aboot this rant, it just angered me that QPublic decided to go off on me for no reason. And because his facts were incorrect, he is...the weakest link, goodbye!
Dudley, once again, I know how it feels. In EFWO when I was the prez, we had a slim roster and hardly anyone rped. That is part of the reason I stepped down and gave the job to Jacobs.
Hey Myst, is it just me, or are you ALWAYS pissed off? Heh...
And for the Ox. If you would have thought and used your head for a second, you could have easily thought of a way to blame it on me. This is how I would have done it if I were you.
<i>If Flate had not shut down ICW, the fed would have never needed to restart and this problem would not have happened.</i>
Ofcourse, I didn't shut down ICW, so it wouldnt work (that is, if you didn't want to piss me off).
Okay friends, I am done with my rant. And remember, you all are the...weakest link! Goodbye!
Flatester
Sanctum Nocturna
EWA Superstar
Posts: 2
(4/22/01 6:01:03 pm)
All I have to say....
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I will take the fall for ICW's problems....
I'm Fired....
The end....sorry everyone
TommyJacobs
The Old School Icon
Posts: 32
(4/22/01 6:24:42 pm)
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Good...problem solved.
QPublic
EWA Superstar
Posts: 65
(4/22/01 7:45:59 pm)
Random...rantings
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Those were just some random ranting...and true Dave has every right to be angry.
Point 1: Dave WASN'T THE ONLY BOOKER FOR ICW!! True he was the head booker but he wasn't the only booker, I put a lot of effort into every contribution.
Point 2: Actually, my comments to one Flate were directed to numerous chat rooms, and various other comments, that said ICW would have died were it not for his booking expertise. And I have moved on.
Point 3: I said I would be willing to assist. I'm not gonna run nothing. I'm getting married in 1 and half months Lord knows I don't have the time to be a head booker.
Additonally I wasn't jumping on Dudley's case all I said was that he was just as gulity as the rest of the ICW'ers as to not putting forth effort at some point.
Hoosier BigDaddy
EWA's Sexiest Bitch!
Posts: 61
(4/22/01 8:03:05 pm)
Re: Random...rantings
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Nah Flate Daddy,
Myst isn't pissed off at everything.
Just almost everything.
But no matter, because the biggest mack in the sack is in control right now...
and I'm gonna have control...ALL NIGHT LONG baby!
Dave Dudley
The Hardcore Icon
Posts: 44
(4/22/01 9:46:45 pm)
Yep.
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ICW will have a show up tomorrow night. I suggest you all read it. And then after that, eat me, mother fuckers.
Hoosier BigDaddy
EWA's Sexiest Bitch!
Posts: 62
(4/22/01 10:59:36 pm)
Re: Yep.
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When ICW fails...
Lets all blame Dave.
He takes the credit for everything else...
So let him take the credit for this.
Amalek
Third and Final Beast
Posts: 101
(4/23/01 2:26:50 am)
whatever Dave
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nuff said
F*CK You Very Much,Your FRANCHISE Has Spoken..
Dave Dudley
The Hardcore Icon
Posts: 43
(4/21/01 4:29:36 pm)
Angry.
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Temper Temper David...now now now.
Edited by: Hoosier BigDaddy at: 4/24/01 12:59:39 am
HCKMIke
EWA Superstar
Posts: 6
(4/21/01 4:40:18 pm)
Re: Angry.
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Dave really, really scares me when he's angry.
I'm sorry Dave, even tho I'm not in ICW, I'm sorry. I'm afrai you'll beat me up or something.
Myst scares me too. I'm his bitch or something.
Flatester
EWA Superstar
Posts: 7
(4/21/01 5:32:44 pm)
Re: Angry.
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Dave,
If I was in ICW, I would have rped...
Flatester
The E-Fed Killer, An Old School Icon, and An E-Fed Legend!
Owner of the Flate Academy of E-Wrestling
Former EFWO World champ
Former 2 time EFWO US champ
Former EFWO tag champ
Former 2 time EFWO IC champ
Former EFWO Cruiserweight Champion
Winner of the Masked Warrior Invitational Tournament
And Current EWA Superstar!
Andrew Leigh
Future ICW World Champion
Posts: 119
(4/21/01 5:33:43 pm)
Eh
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Dave, your anger comes from the same thing that influenced me to quit booking in EWA. I mean, I wrote Onslaught for 4 weeks, and no one seemed to care.
The thing that's entirely different about my situation with EWA and you in ICW is that for you, it is after every single show, even the PPV.
To be honest, it's mostly my fault. I mean, I was posting pretty regularly up to RPM, but right after the PPV in which I won the damn World Title, I decided to hit a period where I was lazy and disinterested in posting another RP. I tried a few times, and got the ball rolling, but never finished.
Also, maybe if I had chipped in more in the writing match process, you could have gotten shows up on time, and people would have maybe decided to post more regularly.
But that is all speculation. The fact is, the whole place is going through a down time, and it's been a looming down time since the day you re-opened.
But one thing that is most definitely not helping things is people quitting. You figure, if it is someone that you aren't pushing who is a low-card type wrestler, and then it is okay if they quit, they can be replaced.
But it's not okay when guys that are being pushed around the main event quit. People who are right in the middle of angles, and right in the middle of the World Title situation just decide to quit.
I usually don't drop names, but Vassago AKA Jeff Watson was the guy that was active a whole lot before the PPV. I mean, every time I posted an RP, it seemed like he had one just waiting to be posted. And I mean it was pretty clear that even when he and I were posting, we were mostly alone in consistency and quality. But why the hell do you quit? I�m not quitting ICW. In fact, I was going to come online and post an RP today, but that will have to wait now since this happened.
You posted on the ICW Board that you don�t care if people call you a hypocrite, traitor, etc. Well, I�m not going to do that, your actions pretty much said that for me. Your quitting is the last thing ICW needed, but you probably don�t care, you probably just want to be in a place where you can be surrounded by �the best posters in the e-fed world�, and people who actually post.
But don�t you remember before you left for the Air Force? When everyone was in LWN, and ICW was struggling to get people. Reno AKA Archangel was posting as like 50 different people, and L-Mo was around. ICW was like the renegade place, the place that was different then LWN with its serious approach and big-time angles. You wouldn�t even consider posting at LWN when ICW started. Hell, you got yourself banned on a few different names in just the goofing off process.
And back then, ICW wasn�t always the best place going. It wasn�t always full of people who posted every day, and people who were seriously interested in the place. There were down times. There are down times in every fed, you even said that in your post at ICW.
But dude, what the fuck is quitting going to do? This is just me reliving old experiences, in an attempt to make you think about what exactly you are doing. You are running away from a place that still can succeed, it wouldn�t take that much to get the place back on track. But, it won�t if everyone starts quitting.
And then there�s Amalek. Well, Amalek was put into the ICW main event pretty much before you could determine who was posting and who wasn�t. And, he posted a few times for the match, sure. But overall, he didn�t give a shit. And doesn�t give a shit still to this day, he hasn�t RP-ed in a whole long time. I mean, call me crazy, but when you read the shows and see you�re being pushed around the main event, which means the booker has confidence in your ability, don�t you think you could at least post once in a while? Show just a LITTLE interest?
I guess that is too much to ask. And, sure, decide to quit NOT before the PPV when things can still be shook around, but AFTER everything has happened, when you are supposed to be involved, but clearly are not.
And I mean, you bring a great RP-er like Myst to ICW, using an angle that, if given the proper attention and effort, could work and become a classic and intricate idea. But, in the long run, you just decide that it would be easier to have Myst come back to EWA, as an OutKast, thus destroying that whole ICW thing. Yeah, you don�t post, and you don�t help ICW out at all, but you sure are able to hurt it by packing up and leaving. You were getting just as big of a push as you are now in EWA. You were in the Main Event at the PPV, for Christ�s sake. But, that isn�t enough, eh?
I admitted my fault in not posting lately, but at least I didn�t quit. And I will post, and it will probably be today, and I will do whatever it takes to not have ICW brought down by the sheer disinterest of others. EWA was just as bad as ICW not too long ago, with people not posting. But actually, now that I think of it, once I quit, people like Kayfabe really got motivated to post again.
Maybe I�m just eFed poison. But one thing is for sure, I don�t think ICW is getting much help from people that should at least try to keep it going. I mean, Healius was the last ICW World Champ before the PPV, and he was IN THE MAIN EVENT, but still posted like 3 or 4 times from back in February or whenever ICW re-opened.
That�s bullshit. Dave has every right to be pissed. I don�t really care what people have to say about my comments.
People quitting isn't helping anything. Dave writes shows, he tries to get some interest going. Personally, I thought things would get more active after RPM was posted.
But they didn't. And everyone decided to run away, instead of posting RPs. You know, that's fine. If that is how it is, then that's how it is. I don't think ICW is going away, though.
Vassago Arcturus
EWA Superstar
Posts: 5
(4/21/01 5:36:36 pm)
Re: Angry.
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Dave has every right to be angry.
Shit, I'd be a liar if I said it wasn't my fault, too. But hell, why don't we all shake hands and play nice? Who cares what the venue is, let's all rp together. ICW, EWA, who cares. Let's just have fun, damnit. Let's not worry about "Well, my board is better" or "I book better than he does" or whathaveyou. Let's just have some fucking fun. Whaddya say?
And to you, Andrew. No, my quitting is not helping ICW. But how can you say that EWA and ICW are not virtually identical already? So what's the difference? I see none. So why bother with trying to struggle between two feds when I can just pour my full potential into one of them? And of course, the one that I choose to put all my effort into is the one where I can be sure to get the best results. I don't mean that I think I can get more titles here at EWA, but I mean that I think I can have better feuds here, better posts, and just more friggin fun.
As to the past, before I enlisted, yeah, I was hardcore ICW. But it wasn't because it was ICW. It was because it was the Anti-LWN. I would have given the world to keep posting in LWN, but I couldn't stand the looming eyes of a couple people. Ah, fuck it. It was Derrick and ITR. I would have loved to stay in LWN if not for them. But because I hated them (and therefore, LWN) so much, I needed an alternative. Lo and behold, ICW. And over time, I gained friends in Lmo and Scottie, and also in Dave. But now, Lmo's gone, Scottie is going through god knows what and can't rp anymore, so now basically my only tie to those golden days is Dave. And shit, Dave is already here in EWA, too. So fuck it. Why stay in ICW? The only people I really wanted to feud with are already here in EWA, with the exception of you, Andrew. And EWA has some other's I'd like to tangle with that aren't in ICW. So there's my long winded excuse.
Edited by: Vassago Arcturus at: 4/21/01 5:46:12 pm
El Bastarde
Look at me, I'm Mexican
Posts: 56
(4/21/01 7:19:26 pm)
Re: Angry.
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Dudley,
Just so you know, since ICW's opening I've been looking in to read (or at least skim if low on time) the shows as well as to read some of the top RPs there.
I like the fed and I think, even despite these setbacks, ICW will be fine. I know what you folks think of Dan Downtown's YAWF fed but it's still going. When he started, he got a lot of folks to join (myself included) and then after a while, a LOT of those folks (myself included) didn't RP (my excuse was that I was too busy with EFWO and EWA, which I was also in at the time). Heck...Bastarde was even put into the Main Event of the PPV in a World Title 4-way match and I maybe RP'd once for it, much like Amalek I'd say. And while all of this happened and RPs when down, Dan kept at it and worked with the folks he could (maybe not as enthousiastically as if people HAD Rpd but he still did it) and YAWF is doing pretty well.
Basically, I'm saying is ICW will be fine, Dudley, just stick with it for now. Feds often go through slumps and eventually people start RPing again, they gain more people and they start goin again. And I can list at least ONE person interested in joining ICW, even after seeing what's been going on with it, so that can be considered as well.
Stevo
SHEEET! SHEEET! SHEEET! -- El Bastarde
DarkMachineMyst
Co-ruler of Mystleigharia
Posts: 324
(4/21/01 11:51:44 pm)
I'm fucking pissed
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I'm fucking pissed too.
I'm fucking pissed that I'm not having as much fun as I used to.
I'm fucking pissed that I just did a Hoosier Daddy roleplay for the first time in months and because of the douchebag registration password shit, I lost it and it will never been seen again. And I was proud of it.
I'm fucking pissed that I haven't roleplayed in ICW and for that I apologize.
But Dave, I haven't really roleplayed in EWA, so I'm not using the excuse I can roleplay in EWA and not in ICW.
In fact, the roleplay that Ezboard decided to fucking not post today, the one I did as Hoosier Daddy, didn't even do with any angle I will be doing or anything...
I realize something....
I had fun as Hoosier Daddy.
I had fun as Myst feuding with Archangel.
I had fun having good feuds.
I had fun to a point feuding with Amalek, until my well ran dry.
I post when I'm having fun.
I don't post when I'm not.
Its not to say that when I stop posting its because I'm not having fun, but it usually means that I'm not having as much fun as I could. Back in LWN, when Archie and I fueded, we fed off each other. In early EWA, as Hoosier, I had so much fun being an ass, that no matter what people posted, I could come up with something gold.
Dave, you are a good booker. But it is hard for one man to run a fed by himself. Healius does a decent job, but he gets help all of the time with match writing and stuff...but he works hours on shows...I'm sure.
Dave, it is an equal partnership. If ICW fails, it won't be one person's fault. It will be everyone's fault. The bookers, the roleplayers, everything. When the idea of ICW re-emerging came about, you were excited, understandably so. But you didn't expect to do it all alone. Scottie's life unfortunately took a bad turn, and he had to bail. And its hart to run everything by yourself.
Leigh tells me I might as well, quit, its basically like I already have. Well, no offense to my co-ruler, but thats a fucking copist way of thinking. I want to be in ICW, because I don't do things I don't want to do. I've been stagnant lately, and I apologize. But my whole character has been...and I'm trying to become active again.
Which is why I tried to post as Hoosier, fucking Ezboard douche...but thats beside the point. I went back to a character that was fun for me, so maybe I could get inspired and realize how much fun efed is supposed to be.
Hell, I'll fucking job every night, open the cards ands hit...if I'm having fun...and fun, at least in efed, is a two way street. You can't have fun without someone else having fun. If you are in a great feud, like I was with Archangel, then your fun will spur fun on from your opponent, and its just a big ol fun cycle. Dave, you should have fun. If you aren't having fun booking...get out.
Because efed should be fun...
Anything less...well, it fucking pisses me off.
Da Archangel
I Know Stephon Marbury > Allen Iverson
Posts: 89
(4/22/01 12:15:58 am)
Re: Angry.
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Since my name was mentioned multiple times (mostly by Myst), I'll add a response to the growing numbers.
I'm not Angry or pissed, I'm a little down. the Sixers lost today, boo. Dallas lost also, boo. and the Spurs won, once again, boo.
Here's my retake on the "new" ICW, it's not an excuse or anything, just how I saw it.
It sounded fun. I could bring back Reno Starr, who I started using a lot in EWA. And when I did, I found other things to do with Archangel and got my creative juices flowing.
Then, me and Leigh started to feud for the final spot. That was great. Although I knew I would lose, it was still fun. But then, when I did lose, I really lost. I lost an angle and I lost ideas. Coincidentally, I also started wrestling school, so I lost time. I pretty much stopped posting in EFWO, posted once a week in ICW, and about twice a week in EWA.
Didn't think I'd win a title, because I knew I didn't deserve it.
I cared that Leigh started doing Onslaught. Because that meant that there actually WAS an Onslaught. But if it was recognition or thanks you were looking for, then you were barking up the wrong tree. How often were you thanked in LWN when you had to take over? Hell, I was writing three shows a week and I wasn't thanked.
You do it, like Myst said, for fun.
Don't book for anybody but yourself. Don't make allowences that will diminish your fun writing matches or creating storylines.
Also, these so-called money e-fed names are not what you need. You need the Omega's and the Jose's and the people who R/P three-4 times a day! Not the "Jaded eFed Icons" or people who are in every fed or people coming back from retirement. Those people are nice for name draw only, to get the other people and put them over when they don't RP.
It's funny, because the most fun I had has been feuding with Myst, feuding and teaming with PPV, and when I first brought out Reno Starr because then I had Reno, Archangel, Thanos, Maxim, and Platinum. Instead of R/ping one person 10 times a day and being an ass, I just made a new character if I had the time.
I'll just stop there, because I don't know where I started and I don't know where I'm going, and I really don't know what the point of this reply was.
Oh yeah, is ICW open or closed?
Amalek
Third and Final Beast
Posts: 100
(4/22/01 1:46:57 am)
Bah
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How funny my 100th post is a OOC one
First of all....I rejoined ICW because Scottie asked me and out of loyality to Him. thats it....I never asked to put in any angle.I never asked for ANYTHING...
Unlike others..I never expected anything...
and why should i ..
I do this for fun.
not glory...
I was in ICW during its "DRY" days....
when it seemed we wouldnt turn the corner...
but we remained a dedicated small crew of r/pers...
I see alot of Blame being pushed in my Way.....but waitaminute...to reply to something else
Second......I dont give a shit?
I r/ped my ass off before BOTH PPVs ...gave up my title willingly ..and Never bitched...
I am a Team Player trying to help angles go further and OTHER wrestlers get chances..title shots et al.
I have been pushing "behind" the scences for lots of New Blood to get pushed....
I never wanted Either Title because of bitching & whining is what i see....when you beat "someone" who thinks he should NEVER lose.
Leigh, I thought youd win...
Hell I even encouraged you to get "mean" to create a stir in ICW which it did.
but to say I didnt care....you are soo wrong....at the PPV 3 guys were buried for no reason....
I wasnt one of them...but I gave a shit...they arent "replaceable" as you stated.
Everyone should be given a chance in a Efed...not only the "stars"...
Screwit...We all started low on the food chain....
Hell..I LIKED your Carter Wilson character..because i thought "this new guy has awesome face potential"
according to what you stated you would have "replaced" yourself.
To be sucessful, you have you have EVERYONE on the team...not just the stars..
As for Dave,
You are a GREAT Booker...
But you have created a situation bound to Fail.
Burying guys to elevate the stars in a rebuilding efed was NOT a good idea.
Alienating other guys who would have helped you re-creating ICW also wasnt a brillant move.
You wanted the SOLE Power you got it....
You did it Your way and it has Failed...
You bitched about Scottie's "multiple booker" idea...because YOU didnt like it.
and vowed to fight it tooth & nail...
You wanted us ALL to r/p in ICW with no input...
You, If i remember my history correctly told me on IM that If I joined EWA "Id be BANNED from ICW" by you when you were the Head Booker last year.
Dave...
You Wanted the Power..
You Had it..
You Failed...
Deal with it...
Life is about struggling in general & mistakes....hopefully you learned from these...
as for now...I hearby do resign as a wrestler in ICW.
It was Fun last year....
not this year....
you cannot bring back something that was great....
so quickly...when you get older youll see...
Patience is a great indicator of sucess...
I do hope ICW comes back...it was a great place...and i think theres lots of potential there...
Myst is right....
Efed is for Fun not Bitching nor moaning...we all create characters to have fun.
To do sick shit we would never think of trying...
If you want..Blame me....I DIDNT run things though...
Unfortunately I do have a actual Job & life which limits my free time.
I posted in Both efeds ALOT that week.
But to Blame me for ICW failing is just so typical.
I just watched on the sidelines....
We are All to Blame....
and thats that..
Peace,
HG
F*CK You Very Much,Your FRANCHISE Has Spoken..
Edited by: Amalek at: 4/22/01 3:18:21 am
X dude
EWA's Cerebral Assassin
Posts: 40
(4/22/01 4:19:03 am)
Re: Angry.
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WHat I find sad in all this, is the fact that after reading this whole thread, I can not come up with one single solitary way to blame Flate for this...
Brian
QPublic
EWA Superstar
Posts: 64
(4/22/01 9:11:03 am)
ICW: thouughts
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Well seeing as how I was one of the originators at ICW after the titles got stripped and the first Insane Rumble, I need to post my thoughts.
Ya see it's like this, I was posting a lot as Phreak in LWN. When I gopt the urge to join ICW on a whim. *Note: I was in ICW previously, but I got saddled with a real lame ass match thanks to one idiotic boy named Lmo. Plus school was closing in so I bailed, on ICW. Anyways, I has a nice fued going with Hexane, over the DVD title, which was kick ass and mucho fun. The Alliance Games Phreak vs. Hexane match was way too much fun, and the match was extremelty well written props to whoever wrote that match. Anywho, in between this, I started watching ICW closely. It was interesting a new regime had taken over. Life looked good. I joined under the auspicious name of QPublic. I had a nice fued with Hacksaw Jim, and an even better fued with Thanos aka Reno aka Archie. It was fun, people appreciated my work. Anywho, it was about time that the proverbial shit hit the fan. Lmo bailed, Jeff joined the airforce, Mercury dropped off the face of the earth. I started doing some booking. It was meager and most of it sucked ass. Actualy a lot of it sucked ass. But I enjoyed it. Somehow in all this I got saddled with the head booker job at ICW. HJow I don't know. Anywho, me and one of the Dan's started booking shows, in fact thanks to Scottie and Amalek, I helped spark the ICW vs. EFWO fued when I turned the EFWO world title into a toiler yep kiddies that was me. Anywho, I was spending all my time on the net writing shows, and getting screamed at because I shows were late, and people weren't r/ping and I was jobbing them left and right. Anywho, I got burned out real fast. Then Dudley came along andstarted booking. We worked well, and put togthjer some great shows, in fact during We Ain't Dead Yet I booked what I consider one of the best matches I wrote namely the Amalek vs. Dudley match Inferno match. After that I took stock of my life, I had just proposed to my girlfriend, and work was keeping me real busy, so I stepped down as booker and kept right on r/ping then I joined EWA and started making a name for myself. Anywho, Dudley goty burned out and then Mr. Flate came on head booker and we brouight in JPac too. Well anywyas, too make a long story short, Flate put up one show, and then ICW closed it's door. One not to Mr. Flate:
YOU ARE NOT THE FUCKING SAVIOR OF ICW
Sorry Phil you are a great r/per but shortly after ICW's downfall you claimed that ICW would have shut it's doors down if not for you. Bullshit. ICW was a community of people not just one booker who put togther a show and spent half of the show advertising some cheesy EFED School.
Anywho, flash forward now ICW was dead and buried, I devoted all my time ot EWA. Anywo, Scottie started talking and we brought ICW back. we had no idea how, then well we did that faction idea, and the shit hit the fan again. It was all politics. Anywho, the idea was dropped and we went back to old school style booking, I helped booked but life was getting really crazy, 3 months till marriage, work problems etc. Anywho, me and Dudley booked and wrote I r/ped when I got the chance but I spent more time writing shows.
To Mr. Dudley, Dave I woulda helped in any way possible but you were so tight lipped about the Angles that yiou wanted to run you never told me shit till you assigned me matches. Dammit. I was frustated because I wanted to help but I couldn't.
Now the question remains:
Where does ICW go from here.
Well I'm interested in helping keep ICW going. But you know something, it won't work, no one cares anymore.
Dudley say your angry all you want but even you have the same attitude. Get of your self-righteous kick. Face it you have been gulity of the same thing. You retired, from ICW remeber. Then an Angle for the Heaveyweight tournament was introduced then, low and behold Dudley r/p's his ass off.
Anyway it's kinda sad really, ICW was a fun place to be and we had some angles, the ICW audio show where Jeff insulted Lmo. It was great. But alas, no one cares. I agree with Archie the fed needs the Omega's and Jose's as well as others. It's just sad that nothing worked like it was supposed to.
If anyone really cares and doesn't want to see ICW contact me AIM maybe we can get the ball rolling again. Who knows I'm not ready to give up yet. I got two more months solid EFEDing before I get married, and during that time I would love to see ICW get built up again...ahh well enough of my rambling...
--QPublic
AIM=QPublic24
Edited by: QPublic at: 4/22/01 11:17:41 am
TommyJacobs
The Old School Icon
Posts: 31
(4/22/01 1:44:29 pm)
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I want to give an outsider perspective on this if I may. I wasn't going to say anything, because quite frankly, it really doesn't involve me, but I have a few observations I would like to make.
First off, I completely understand where Dave is coming from. Most of you should know that booking is by no means an easy job. It takes time and a lot of thought. Speaking for myself, all I look for in return when I book is people rping creatively for their matches and rping off of the angles that happen in shows. If people do that, you know what you are doing is worth the time you are putting in. As Dave said, it's a two way deal. The bookers book a good show, so the wrestlers rp off of the show (thus showing their appreciation). The booker sees the good rping and is motivated to write a good show. And so on and so on. Each one feeds off the other. Not to point fingers at anyone (because I really have no right to), but both ends seemed lacking from the get go. It's not anybody's fault.
What I noticed is that the ICW seemed to re-open just because it could. There was certainly no need with both the EWA and EFWO providing opportunities for the wrestlers. It didn't re-open because one person really wanted to run a fed again as evident by all the changes in the staff. It was there, so everyone said: "Why Not." Then after the nostalgia wore off, people didn't really have the want to rp there. In that sense, you really can't blame the roleplayers because you shouldn't be in a fed that you don't feel like you want to rp in. Then it becomes a job and that's not the purpose of efeds. The ICW didn't have a real driving point to re-open, and in this efeder's opinion, it was doomed to being with.
So what am I saying? A few things actually. One, a lot of you keep saying that it's not the roleplayers' fault, yet you are content with getting on Dave Dudley for being angry. Doesn't he have a right to be upset when he books and then the fed fails? I mean, everyone agrees that the ICW isn't doing that great, right? So, doesn't Dave have the right to say: "Hey, I put a lot of work into this and I am angry and frustrated that it is failing."? Dave is getting a lot of unfair criticism here.
Two, it's not fair to blame anyone person (or people), for not rping in ICW and wanting to go to another fed. If you are not having fun in one fed, what's the purpose of staying?
It's a sucky situation because ICW is failing. You shouldn't get mad at the wrestlers for not wanting to be a fed they are not havng fun in, but it also sucks that Dave put a lot of work into it only to get nothing in return. There's no reason to keep ICW open, just to keep it open. No one really wins, but all well, that's life. I just think that getting on Dave is not helping.
Oh yea, once last comment to QPublic. Ya know, getting on Flate out of no where and insulting Dudley doesn't help ICW get any better. Lord only knows why you brought the Flate stuff up, since in addition to a good deal of it being inaccurate, it is also OLD news....get over it...move on. Flate tried to help, it failed...the world moves on. Things didn't work out for Dave and the other guys who wanted to see ICW suceed and tried to help it....move on. I do have a question for you, why do you want to keep ICW going? I think you have to ask yourself that before you decide to keep it going because as I said earlier, that's one of the reasons I feel it didn't work out this time.
I'm done. I hope some of this makes sense because I just sat down and starting typing. If I got any info. wrong, I apologize. I can only comment on what I see.
Later.
X dude
EWA's Cerebral Assassin
Posts: 41
(4/22/01 2:18:31 pm)
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ANother outsiders perspective...
Number one... I have to agree with everything Jacobs said (Did the world just stop??). ICW seemed to be started up again not becuase there was a need for another fed, but because no one liked the way it closed down originally and people wanted to bring it back. ANd thats a bad reason to start a fed.
A few weeks back, SCottie contacted me and asked if I could give some advice on to how to better sell ICW since people seem to think Im the king of marketing an efed to potential people. I dont think Im anything special, but anywho... I told him what I did and such. Then about a week later I had an idea. WIth EFWO getting 50 applications a week, our minor league fed was filling up quick. So i contacted Scottie and asked if he wanted some of our apps. Scottie told me he had left and to ask Dudley. When I asked Dudley he told me he would get back to me. Please understand...I told Dudley that the apps would be his to do what he wanted with. I was NOT asking ICW to be a minor league. The apps would have been his with no strings attached. Anyway...Dudley decided never to get back to me. I got the impression that ICW only wanted people from EWA and/or EFWO and no outsiders... just people from that supposed little clique. But I challenge you to look at BCW! right up before their PPV which was at the same time as ICWs. BCW! is EFWOs minor league and some of these people may not have the same talent as what ICW has, but there was genuine excitement in that fed, whereas I checked ICW and saw 2 RPs a day..I was seeing 10-15 there. BCW! has lost a little momentum now with the management change... but it still has more RPs a day then ICW does. SO I think part of the prob with ICW is it was afraid to try and find some new people from outside the clique. Remember...talent is great but without some new blood things get stale.
ANyway...thats my thoughts as I try to still find a way to blame Flate
Brian
Flatester
EWA Superstar
Posts: 8
(4/22/01 4:51:29 pm)
Re: Argh..
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Now why is everyone trying to blame the Flatester? I am a loveable guy. I mean, come on!
QPublic: Did I ever say I was the savior of ICW? No. Infact, I was reviewing my old Flate Update's�, and I saw that I apologized several times saying that I was sorry if I was part of the reason that ICW closed down.
Yes, I did say that ICW would have shut down earlier if it weren't for me. And I do believe that it has truth to it. There was no one else offering or wanting to be the Head Booker of ICW.
I also did not have another writer for my second show. He bailed on me. So I was told I would have other writer(s) to help me, and it turned out I didn't. If I would have had the other writer, I would have had the show up on time. However, I had a busy week/weekend, and had no spare time to do the 2-3 matches I had previously assigned to the other booker.
Sure, I did do a FU�, but that took all of ten minutes, which was the only time I had free. When I write a match, it takes me around 20-25 minutes if I am going quick to write one short match. Therefore, I believe I made good use of my time by doing what I like.
If you didn't realize, Q, that I was doing an on going bit throughout the show by advertising the FAEW. Most people reading the show knew about the FAEW anyway, so it would have been no use hyping it like that if I wasn't making a joke.
Sorry aboot this rant, it just angered me that QPublic decided to go off on me for no reason. And because his facts were incorrect, he is...the weakest link, goodbye!
Dudley, once again, I know how it feels. In EFWO when I was the prez, we had a slim roster and hardly anyone rped. That is part of the reason I stepped down and gave the job to Jacobs.
Hey Myst, is it just me, or are you ALWAYS pissed off? Heh...
And for the Ox. If you would have thought and used your head for a second, you could have easily thought of a way to blame it on me. This is how I would have done it if I were you.
<i>If Flate had not shut down ICW, the fed would have never needed to restart and this problem would not have happened.</i>
Ofcourse, I didn't shut down ICW, so it wouldnt work (that is, if you didn't want to piss me off).
Okay friends, I am done with my rant. And remember, you all are the...weakest link! Goodbye!
Flatester
Sanctum Nocturna
EWA Superstar
Posts: 2
(4/22/01 6:01:03 pm)
All I have to say....
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I will take the fall for ICW's problems....
I'm Fired....
The end....sorry everyone
TommyJacobs
The Old School Icon
Posts: 32
(4/22/01 6:24:42 pm)
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Good...problem solved.
QPublic
EWA Superstar
Posts: 65
(4/22/01 7:45:59 pm)
Random...rantings
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Those were just some random ranting...and true Dave has every right to be angry.
Point 1: Dave WASN'T THE ONLY BOOKER FOR ICW!! True he was the head booker but he wasn't the only booker, I put a lot of effort into every contribution.
Point 2: Actually, my comments to one Flate were directed to numerous chat rooms, and various other comments, that said ICW would have died were it not for his booking expertise. And I have moved on.
Point 3: I said I would be willing to assist. I'm not gonna run nothing. I'm getting married in 1 and half months Lord knows I don't have the time to be a head booker.
Additonally I wasn't jumping on Dudley's case all I said was that he was just as gulity as the rest of the ICW'ers as to not putting forth effort at some point.
Hoosier BigDaddy
EWA's Sexiest Bitch!
Posts: 61
(4/22/01 8:03:05 pm)
Re: Random...rantings
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Nah Flate Daddy,
Myst isn't pissed off at everything.
Just almost everything.
But no matter, because the biggest mack in the sack is in control right now...
and I'm gonna have control...ALL NIGHT LONG baby!
Dave Dudley
The Hardcore Icon
Posts: 44
(4/22/01 9:46:45 pm)
Yep.
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ICW will have a show up tomorrow night. I suggest you all read it. And then after that, eat me, mother fuckers.
Hoosier BigDaddy
EWA's Sexiest Bitch!
Posts: 62
(4/22/01 10:59:36 pm)
Re: Yep.
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When ICW fails...
Lets all blame Dave.
He takes the credit for everything else...
So let him take the credit for this.
Amalek
Third and Final Beast
Posts: 101
(4/23/01 2:26:50 am)
whatever Dave
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nuff said
F*CK You Very Much,Your FRANCHISE Has Spoken..