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Post by Johnny Q Public on Feb 13, 2009 6:29:36 GMT -6
Gee Obama already broke a promise. He campaigned to post all bills for consideration onto the White House website for the American people to read. Guess what he has hasn't. Nor have the Democrats. www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=30697If your going to campaing on openedness and such no closed door meetings for lawmakers to debate policy. Then you should. However the current Stimulus package was not. It was debated behind closed doors and the Republicans were practically blocked out of the meeting. An woo hoo we all get an extra 13 dollars in our pocket!!! Damn I can by that car I always wanted!!!
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Post by ScottiePP7 on Feb 13, 2009 17:14:07 GMT -6
Oh my god, make it stop.
Seriously, the 13 dollars...its like any raise in a real job, broken up over how many months it adds up.
And its a democratic president, we don't do tax cuts. I don't think they work, fat lot of good that 200 buck chekc bush gave everyone did....woooo........
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Post by Johnny Q Public on Feb 13, 2009 21:22:43 GMT -6
Hell I agree the Checks did nothing.
Howeer et al promised a more open governemnt and away for the Partisanship, but they didn't
Fact is they didn't post the bill 48 hours and advance and the bill was so damn big no one read it all.
I just find it funny that they promised all the stuff about the bills being psoted Online but they didn't.
The ifrst of many flip flops I'm sure.
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Post by ScottiePP7 on Feb 14, 2009 9:11:28 GMT -6
This is an honest question and not meant as insult at all, so please don't take it that way.
The right is just generally furious over Obama, not just you but a ton of people, still this long after the election.
After the last Bush election was it this bad with people from the left? I know I was pretty pissed but I think I just took my lumps and moved on after a month or so. The country seemed move divided after that election than it was after this one (voting counts being my only backing for this) and I don't think there was so much outrage? Of course I just may not have noticed it because it was people I agreed with having all the outrage.
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Post by Lone Wolf on Feb 14, 2009 10:32:56 GMT -6
the thing i THINK Q is saying is this whole gimmick of Barack O. is " change"...but the stuff he promised change on, ie, bills being posted online, havent come to fruition. ive said all along too much talk about " the movement" and what it means for a certain group of folk, and not about what its changing for everyone as a whole...i aint seen no change, at all.....just my 2 cents.....
where is Steph Morrigan in this thing neway? this is right up her alley.....
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Post by Sylver Morrigan on Feb 14, 2009 13:14:39 GMT -6
I'm right here, trying to work But, guys, honestly. It hasn't even been 30 days he's been in office! And how can he post a bill's contents to the internets when the bill hasn't reached his desk yet? And I say again, sirs, it has been less than 30 days. Have you ever dieted? Have you ever seen major changes in less than two weeks? No. And we're talking about running a fucking country, not losing your lovehandles. In reference to the average $13 all Americans will see in their paychecks, I love it. That one time stimulus check that Bush sent out didn't do much for anyone or the economy as a whole. With this kind of tax cut or rebate, we'll all see a little something everyweek. Enough to get a quarter or half tank of gas. Enough for an extra 5 pounds of ground beef, or almost 5 pounds of chicken. Enough to pay my lame ass HSBC card's monthly payment. Enough to maybe splurge - maybe save that extra $10 or $13 a week for a month, and it's enough to take the missus to Chili's or something. It will make a difference. It is an average of $676 extra a year. That's a car payment, a mortgage payment. An extra $55 a month. That may be most of your insurance premium, a dinner out, a payment towards the kid's braces. All in all, it boils down to a few bucks we all didn't have before. More money in our hands to take care of our shit. Finally, re: partisanship: Don't point the finger only at the Democrats. The Republicans are just as much to blame. It always takes two to tango: neither side is completely at fault, neither side is blamless. How about we give the new President more than 25 days to fix the ridiculous economic crisis and all the other issues this country has?
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Post by Sylver Morrigan on Feb 14, 2009 13:16:34 GMT -6
After the last Bush election was it this bad with people from the left? I know I was pretty pissed but I think I just took my lumps and moved on after a month or so. The country seemed move divided after that election than it was after this one (voting counts being my only backing for this) and I don't think there was so much outrage? Of course I just may not have noticed it because it was people I agreed with having all the outrage. Nah, we were in shock. We didn't have the mental capacity left to feel outrage.
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Post by Calvin Constantine on Feb 14, 2009 22:32:02 GMT -6
I think initially there was a lot of opposition to Bush, a lot of it stemming from the 2000 election fiasco. But at the same time, people were pretty much tired of Clinton and I remember a lot of moderate people saying "Gore should just concede already". With the last 8 years being so divisive, conservatives are naturally going to give Obama less of a chance. They still think Bush never got a fair shake and that Obama's "change" is a load of crap.
As far as "bipartisanship" goes, I think the Republican party has amply demonstrated over the past 8 years that it is not serious about governing. Frankly, I wouldn't trust them to supervise one of my shits.
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Post by Johnny Q Public on Feb 15, 2009 16:23:59 GMT -6
I think initially there was a lot of opposition to Bush, a lot of it stemming from the 2000 election fiasco. But at the same time, people were pretty much tired of Clinton and I remember a lot of moderate people saying "Gore should just concede already". With the last 8 years being so divisive, conservatives are naturally going to give Obama less of a chance. They still think Bush never got a fair shake and that Obama's "change" is a load of crap. As far as "bipartisanship" goes, I think the Republican party has amply demonstrated over the past 8 years that it is not serious about governing. Frankly, I wouldn't trust them to supervise one of my shits. Ahh pot calling the kettle black. All the democrats stating "He's not my president." The media blasting Bush for the past 8 years. Now that Republicans are doing the same thing everyone cries foul. It's a fucking double standard. Hell, the fact that Obama called out Limbaugh and made a complete ass of himself in doing so proves the point. No one can handle anyone saying something negative about Obama. Sad but true.
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Post by Sylver Morrigan on Feb 15, 2009 20:39:03 GMT -6
Ahh pot calling the kettle black. All the democrats stating "He's not my president." The media blasting Bush for the past 8 years. Now that Republicans are doing the same thing everyone cries foul. It's a fucking double standard. Hell, the fact that Obama called out Limbaugh and made a complete ass of himself in doing so proves the point. No one can handle anyone saying something negative about Obama. Sad but true. I sincerely hope I didn't get stupid in the last two days, but I have no idea what this has to do with anything. I know I don't stay up to date on what all facets of the media are reporting, but I haven't heard Democrats bitching about Republicans bitching about Obama. If that makes any type of sense. Like, not more than you'd expect. Also, the circumstances under which Bush took office in 2000 were INCREDIBLY different than the world we live in now. I could go on. But, seriously, I'm at the point where I don't know why I type these words anymore. We're all entitled to our opinions, we all have them, but us sitting here discussing them doesn't do anything. IMHO, it seems like most of you just want to state your opinions and try to make other people feel stupid. Off topic, yes. But still. None of us even bothers to try and educate each other on why we have our opinions, and it's clear that none of us question our opinions or want to change them. I have no idea why I just wrote all of that, but there it is.
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